Post by Mike EasterPost by Mike EasterMike Easter
Post by Mike EasterDo you know anything about that 'google identifier' that I was
talking about?
Maybe that should be called 'google archiver group message number'
hereafter 'gagmn'
Post by Mike EasterPost by Mike EasterI'm wondering if there was a deja 'thing' that google has enhanced or
expanded upon.
Here's a related thread that might interest you
Well, all of that is still all about the messageid as the access to the
'general' googlegroups particular article.
This 'gagmn' number looks like a 16 digit hexadecimal number and it
doesn't access via the 'general' googlegroups the way the mid accesses.
It acts much more like a XRef number, because in order to use it, google
groups has to define the particular group first, then msg/ and then the
gagmn number.
http://groups.google.com/group/news.newusers.questions/msg/a1588c9bb0aed110?hl=en
which you can see needs group/newsgroup.name/msg/gagmn
whereas when we use the msgid we don't do it that way. <Same message
below>
<make oneline>
which you can see needs groups?selm=msgid
which is a completely different referencing system.
So? We can use the latter if we we don't know the unique-to-Google
reference number - and when we do, the address bar of the browser will
show
<http://groups.google.com/group/news.newusers.questions/msg/a1588c9bb0aed110>
and not the URL we sent to Google.
Also try
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=***@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
which will be returned with
<http://groups.google.com/group/news.newusers.questions/msg/a1588c9bb0aed11
0?as_umsgid=***@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> in
the address bar - again not what we sent, and apparently constructed by a
different process within Google's system - but showing us the same
article.
Post by Mike EasterJust like the newslink with a message id doesn't need 'anything else' --
if you were trying to access a particular news item from its Xref
number, you would need to know the news server and the newsgroup -- if
you are trying to access a particular googlegroups newsitem with the
gagmn number, you would also need to know the particular newsgroup which
would precede /msg/gagmn
It doesn't seem to matter what processing Google do when fed such a URL, as
long as it takes one to the desired article. A script can be devised that
will take manual input of a MID or find it in an article, and build a URL
using that MID; one does not need to know the local article number of that
article in Google's database - Google take care of finding that,
presumably from an index of MIDs. Much as a news: URL finds the article
on a conventional NNTP server. We don't need to know how the server finds
it, just that it does.
<http://googlegroups.com/groups?selm=[insert MID here]> works, as does
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=[insert MID here]> - either
will take you to the same article, in Google's 'parsed' rendering, and
from which one can navigate to the archive of the whole thread or whole
group. The user is not required to know or care about Google's internal
workings, as long as the URL used has the desired result.
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